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he said don't go after susan rice, go after him. i think we should go after him because he's the one who knows? >> do you agree with that assessment that he would have had to have known two weeks later? >> i agree. i think that the only person who can answer that question is the president. we need to know what he scbiew when he knew it as far as how the incident evolved. we owe it to the public approximate to the family who is have suffered the loss. >> sean: president obama got testy, trying to defend ambassador rice. many analysts say are saying that the only reason the republicans were questioning her commentings was because of her gender. james clyburn took it one step further, injecting her race into the equation. watch this. >> i have a real, real problem with my senior senator trying to make her a scapegoat in this. >> why is this hostility to this young public servant, who isn't really -- isn't really a politician, she serves in the foreign affairs capacity. she is not in the arena with you. why are they treating her like so
he said don't go after susan rice, go after him. i think we should go after him because he's the one who knows? >> do you agree with that assessment that he would have had to have known two weeks later? >> i agree. i think that the only person who can answer that question is the president. we need to know what he scbiew when he knew it as far as how the incident evolved. we owe it to the public approximate to the family who is have suffered the loss. >> sean: president obama...
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ambassador, susan rice. why was that done? who did this? catherine herridge is live on capitol hill. reporter: that's right. congressional horses tell fox news that there were changes to the cia talking points and that language of al qaeda affiliated individuals was replace -- replaced, which have the impact of minimizing or downplaying the role of al qaeda and another group, al sharia come on the consulate on 9/11. there was also testimony this week that the intelligence community to those talking points and went to an interagency process. so that other elements of the intelligence community as well as input and review by the state department, as well as the department of justice, that eventually made its way to ambassador susan rice. no one commissioner who was the final author of this talking point given to ambassador susan rice, who is on the sunday talk show on september 16 and repeated on multiple occasions that meant david was in response to the anti-islam video and that was a demonstration that had spun out of control. significantly
ambassador, susan rice. why was that done? who did this? catherine herridge is live on capitol hill. reporter: that's right. congressional horses tell fox news that there were changes to the cia talking points and that language of al qaeda affiliated individuals was replace -- replaced, which have the impact of minimizing or downplaying the role of al qaeda and another group, al sharia come on the consulate on 9/11. there was also testimony this week that the intelligence community to those...
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susan rice is another one. hillary clinton is another. we would not be doing are due diligence as investigators if we did not question the office. if the president thinks we're being unfair to susan rice, he can comment. that is always an option, too. if he wants to be sent for my millions towards her company can come to congressman to the questions. lou: i'm going to be asking a number of people throughout this question, but under feinstein, her committee did not want to comment. i want to does ask you quickly wrap up here. for your viewers, is whether or not there is any grounds for not commenting on what seems to be a matter of fact issue. she was asked whether the cia operatives in benghazi, what about them calling for help? and can you think of any reason why that would not be a matter that could be shed with shared with the american public? >> no, sir, i cannot. lou: and what about the administration's original versions of events? your reaction? >> there's a difference of not wanting comment on something and not being able to. it is
susan rice is another one. hillary clinton is another. we would not be doing are due diligence as investigators if we did not question the office. if the president thinks we're being unfair to susan rice, he can comment. that is always an option, too. if he wants to be sent for my millions towards her company can come to congressman to the questions. lou: i'm going to be asking a number of people throughout this question, but under feinstein, her committee did not want to comment. i want to...
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he personally didn't breech susan rice. >> joining me is mark murray. we know that the week started with this scandal with david petraeus's affair. that's taken a back seat, probably rightfully so, to the president's first press conference, his first news conference since re-election. now this issue regarding benghazi, the ongoing investigation. >> well, that's right. tamron, this is just one week removed from last week's presidential contest. it shows you that politics is still alive and well in the nation's capital even after the presidential contest. i think you look back at the entire back and forth over the benghazi situation, and what is now coming out after these meetings, i got an e-mail statement from florida senator bill nelson who said one of the things that was made clear at today's meeting was that susan rice, when she was giving the cia intelligence that she did on all those sunday shows, that was what was seen as the intelligence at the time. there was a lot of different moving parts and here and there what was going on. bottom line what
he personally didn't breech susan rice. >> joining me is mark murray. we know that the week started with this scandal with david petraeus's affair. that's taken a back seat, probably rightfully so, to the president's first press conference, his first news conference since re-election. now this issue regarding benghazi, the ongoing investigation. >> well, that's right. tamron, this is just one week removed from last week's presidential contest. it shows you that politics is still...
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. >> is it clear that susan rice saw that? that's one thing i think the republicans are going off on this, going after susan rice and knew the information she was giving out was wrong. how do we know that she saw the original point-- >> wait, wait, i never thought i would say this, but charles isn't getting a chance to talk enough. i think we need to let him talk. charles, you weigh in. >> well, let's not talk about susan rice. let's take the president's own demand that we not pick on the little lady and we pick on him. all right. let's accept the challenge. that, and he said, after all, she was just my spokesman even though she knew nothing about this. all right, what he's asking us to say the president of the united states using a spokesman who knew nothing about the issue went on five television shows and gave one version of a story where the classified version clearly said this was a terror attack, and yet, the version that was heard on every network was, this was a riot that had gone out of control, this was nothing else
. >> is it clear that susan rice saw that? that's one thing i think the republicans are going off on this, going after susan rice and knew the information she was giving out was wrong. how do we know that she saw the original point-- >> wait, wait, i never thought i would say this, but charles isn't getting a chance to talk enough. i think we need to let him talk. charles, you weigh in. >> well, let's not talk about susan rice. let's take the president's own demand that we not...
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here is mccain on susan rice. take a listen. >> susan rice should have known better, and if she didn't know better she's not qualified. she should have known better. i will do everything in my power to block her from being the united states secretary of state. >> okay. mortal sin, deal breaker, end of her career because john mccain said she had gotten the wrong brief and delivered the wrong brief. however, mccain had a very different reaction back in 2005 when condoleezza rice was nominated for secretary of state despite her direct involvement in the country's iraq policy. mccain trucked up opposition to her nomination to bitterness over losing an election. interesting. let's watch. >> i wonder why we're starting this new congress with a protracted debate about a foregone conclusion. i can only conclude we're doing this for no other reason than because of lingering bitterness at the outcome of the elections. >> talk about a self-indictment. anyway, mccain was asked about the contradiction this morning on the "toda
here is mccain on susan rice. take a listen. >> susan rice should have known better, and if she didn't know better she's not qualified. she should have known better. i will do everything in my power to block her from being the united states secretary of state. >> okay. mortal sin, deal breaker, end of her career because john mccain said she had gotten the wrong brief and delivered the wrong brief. however, mccain had a very different reaction back in 2005 when condoleezza rice was...
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. >> so when the president says that susan rice was giving out -- talking about the most updated and -- fully documented intelligence that the intelligence community had, that's not true. >> last night the message was that susan rice was disseminating incorrect intelligence and the president is wrong for defending her. now here is mr. king today after an intelligence briefing. >> did he seem concerned that things had been changed? was that surprising to you? >> he seemed to say at the time they didn't realize the full significance of that and that or an unclassified statement it was acceptable. again, it's still very vague. >> petraeus told king today that, quote, for an unclassified statement this was acceptable. again, it's still very vague. dana, to paraphrase the president, republicans got out in front of their own skis on this one, didn't they? >> yes. well, in congress they have a tradition of revising and extending their remarks and i think peter king -- what peter king just said was "never mind." >> what he said earlier, what do we do with that? >> he was operating on incompl
. >> so when the president says that susan rice was giving out -- talking about the most updated and -- fully documented intelligence that the intelligence community had, that's not true. >> last night the message was that susan rice was disseminating incorrect intelligence and the president is wrong for defending her. now here is mr. king today after an intelligence briefing. >> did he seem concerned that things had been changed? was that surprising to you? >> he seemed...
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by the time susan rice gets to your show it is a different story. >>chris: there are two big questions. first of all, is general petraeus' testimony on september 14th, he said high believes and told members of congress in the closed doors hearings he believed it was a stepper attack and one congressman, peter king head of the homeland security committee said that is not his recollection of what general petraeus said. so, that is interesting. obviously, a discrepancy that has to be cleared up. and the other is, of course, the talking points. he said this is what the c.i.a. talking points were and talked about links to al qaeda and links to terror and the administration says when susan rice went on the sunday shows including fox news sunday she was told it was primarily the video and reaction to that and a demonstration that was hijacked by extremists. the big question is who rewrote the c.i.a. talking points? the intelligence community? the white house? we do not have an answer. >>trace: the politicians are on opposite sides of the aisle but i have n
by the time susan rice gets to your show it is a different story. >>chris: there are two big questions. first of all, is general petraeus' testimony on september 14th, he said high believes and told members of congress in the closed doors hearings he believed it was a stepper attack and one congressman, peter king head of the homeland security committee said that is not his recollection of what general petraeus said. so, that is interesting. obviously, a discrepancy that has to be cleared...
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. >> and democrats use that hearing to rally around susan rice. >> to say that she is unqualified to be secretary of state, i think, is a mistake. and the way it keeps going, it's almost as if -- >> and the middle east on the brink. israel and hamas exchanging fire as casualties mount. amid talk of all-out war. >> will continue to exercise this prudence and self-restraint while defending our citizens against terrorism. >> opening round, president obama and congressional leaders kick off talks to avoid the looming fiscal cliff. >> what folks are looking for and i think all of us agree on this, action. they want to see we are focused on them, not focused on our politics here in washington. >> the framework that i've outlined in our meeting today is consistent with the president's call for a fair and balanced approach. to show our seriousness we put revenue on the table as long as it's accompanied by significant spending cuts. >> i can say on the part of my members that we fully understand that you can't save the country until you have entitlement programs that fit the demographics of t
. >> and democrats use that hearing to rally around susan rice. >> to say that she is unqualified to be secretary of state, i think, is a mistake. and the way it keeps going, it's almost as if -- >> and the middle east on the brink. israel and hamas exchanging fire as casualties mount. amid talk of all-out war. >> will continue to exercise this prudence and self-restraint while defending our citizens against terrorism. >> opening round, president obama and...
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susan rice was -- you look at the context. we're in a presidential election, and susan rice was using talking points altered potentially by the white house and that took the words, you know, that took the terrorist group attacks out of those talking points meaning that there could have been a coverup and we're trying to get to the bottom of it. if she took out that phrase, that would be a huge problem for confirmation. >> jason, what do you think it is like to be susan rice these days? >> i think it is very difficult. look, barack obama has not always had an easy time pushing his nominees through, but think about it. not only is she in the middle of this benghazi scandal and people are going to be questioning whether she was honest or a show for the white house but you're following hillary clinton who has been one of the most popular and well-respected secretaries of state that we have had in the last 20 years. i think susan rice is in a difficult position and i am pretty sure john kerry is thinking this is my chance so i thin
susan rice was -- you look at the context. we're in a presidential election, and susan rice was using talking points altered potentially by the white house and that took the words, you know, that took the terrorist group attacks out of those talking points meaning that there could have been a coverup and we're trying to get to the bottom of it. if she took out that phrase, that would be a huge problem for confirmation. >> jason, what do you think it is like to be susan rice these days?...
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susan rice's comments did not susan rice's comments did not send
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it is susan rice. it is the state department that john mccain sees that as somehow being disloyal to john kerry. knowing what john kerry did for barack obama and john mccain is agitated a fellow senator who is also friends with, is being disrespected in some fashion. oh, by the way, john mccain is also really angry about the conflicting stories over benghazi and all of that creates the perfect storm. >> right, i've heard the triangulation conspiracy theory about mccain trying to trip up rice to make room for kerry. that seems -- almost one step too far even for washington. but mccain is still upset with obama for beating him four years ago. i think that's pretty clear. just the way he reacts. the way his team handled the situation this week with him missing benghazi hearing to hold a press conference to wrap obama. the way he took to the senate floor after his press conference. it was the mark of someone who is still angry with obama. not just for this benghazi situation but for much longer than that.
it is susan rice. it is the state department that john mccain sees that as somehow being disloyal to john kerry. knowing what john kerry did for barack obama and john mccain is agitated a fellow senator who is also friends with, is being disrespected in some fashion. oh, by the way, john mccain is also really angry about the conflicting stories over benghazi and all of that creates the perfect storm. >> right, i've heard the triangulation conspiracy theory about mccain trying to trip up...
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ambassador susan rice. he does not know who the author of the final version was and these talking points would be uses as the basis for the statements on sunday talk shows on september 16th that this was spontaneous event and linked to the anti-islam video. lawmakers said they wanted to stay very focused on the attack itself and not the former director's personal problems. >> human nature is what it is but the intent going we'll limit the conversation to the events of 9/11 and forward throughout the rest of the, six, eight weeks ensued since the attacks on our consulate. >> reporter: in addition to what's unfolding here on capitol hill fox news separately has confirmed the cia has begun a preliminary investigation into the former director's tenure at the cia. that would include whether any cia assets or materials if you will were used to facilitate this affair or alleged affair with his biographer, paula broadwell, bill. bill: a lot of people look at this on the outside and look at today as a day where you
ambassador susan rice. he does not know who the author of the final version was and these talking points would be uses as the basis for the statements on sunday talk shows on september 16th that this was spontaneous event and linked to the anti-islam video. lawmakers said they wanted to stay very focused on the attack itself and not the former director's personal problems. >> human nature is what it is but the intent going we'll limit the conversation to the events of 9/11 and forward...
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ambassador, susan rice. that's what this was for him, a great moment to kind of score chivalrous points rather than answer and be pressed on the challenges and the questions that so many fair-minded people have about what happened in benghazi that night and what the administration said about it. jon: a number of senators including senator lindsey graham, senator john mccain, senator kelly ayotte -- a woman, it should be noted -- were critical of what ambassador susan rice said when she went on the five sunday talk shows and said this was all about the video. now, kirsten, i want to read a clip of your most recent column. here it is. you say: president obama bizarrely cast the u.s. ambassador to the united nations, susan rice, as some delicate flower the boys should stop picking on for her dissembling: jon: come back to haunt him in what way? >> well, i think he got so caught up in this silly story about senators mccain and graham, and he did leave out, also, that there was a female senator as well as you men
ambassador, susan rice. that's what this was for him, a great moment to kind of score chivalrous points rather than answer and be pressed on the challenges and the questions that so many fair-minded people have about what happened in benghazi that night and what the administration said about it. jon: a number of senators including senator lindsey graham, senator john mccain, senator kelly ayotte -- a woman, it should be noted -- were critical of what ambassador susan rice said when she went on...
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if people want to know why susan rice said what she . the cia gave her unclassified briefing before going on five net work shows to represent the view of the white house, does anything make sense about that? >> no. this is the bigger question that has to be answered. why is it that the president of the united states is willing to put his personnel out on the line with wrong information? with information that he knew was wrong or had reason to know was wrong. it doesn't make sense. the president needs to take ownership of this and in uation like this where brave americans died serving their country. we deserve more explanation. >> gretchen: you are not getting the answers from the president and he will not just willingly give them and unless you call him to testify which would not happen. how do you achieve the goal. >> we'll and questions of other personnel. we can't get them from the president himself what about the members of the white house staff and cabinet. >> brian: how are you going to approach the questioning of general pettigrew
if people want to know why susan rice said what she . the cia gave her unclassified briefing before going on five net work shows to represent the view of the white house, does anything make sense about that? >> no. this is the bigger question that has to be answered. why is it that the president of the united states is willing to put his personnel out on the line with wrong information? with information that he knew was wrong or had reason to know was wrong. it doesn't make sense. the...
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ambassador susan rice used the edited version in remarks five days after the attack. some republicans have accused her of downplaying the terror link to avoid hurting the president's re-election bid. but senate intelligence chair dianne feinstein defended rice today. >> we have seen wrong intelligence before. and it all surrounded our going into iraq. and a lot of people were killed based on bad intelligence. so and i don't think that's fair game. i think mission takes-- mistakes get made. >> holman: the benghazi attack killed u.s. ambassador chris stevens and three other americans. in afghanistan, 17 civilians were killed today when their bus set off a roadside bomb. the victims were on their way to a wedding. separately, two nato service members were killed in a roadside bomb attack in the eastern part of the country. there was hopeful talk today about avoiding the "fiscal cliff" after president obama met with congressional leaders at the white house. a series of tax increases and spending cuts will kick in on january 1, unless the two sides can come to agreement. t
ambassador susan rice used the edited version in remarks five days after the attack. some republicans have accused her of downplaying the terror link to avoid hurting the president's re-election bid. but senate intelligence chair dianne feinstein defended rice today. >> we have seen wrong intelligence before. and it all surrounded our going into iraq. and a lot of people were killed based on bad intelligence. so and i don't think that's fair game. i think mission takes-- mistakes get...
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ambassador susan rice. mccain spent the better part of yesterday on television maligning rice and threatening to block her nomination if the president taps her to be the next secretary of state. yet when mccain and other republicans were given the opportunity to be briefed on the attack, they didn't bother to show up. a two hour closed door session was held yesterday for members of the senate committee investigating benghazi. according to "foreign policy magazine" the briefing included representatives from the defense department, the joint chiefs of staff, national counterterrorism center and the fbi. all players in the room. a democratic aide tells cnn that seven out of nine democratic committee members attended the meeting and just three out of eight republicans showed up. so where was john mccain while his fellow committee members were being given details on benghazi? he was holding a press conference. complaining about the lack of details on benghazi. mccain's office says the senator missed the briefing
ambassador susan rice. mccain spent the better part of yesterday on television maligning rice and threatening to block her nomination if the president taps her to be the next secretary of state. yet when mccain and other republicans were given the opportunity to be briefed on the attack, they didn't bother to show up. a two hour closed door session was held yesterday for members of the senate committee investigating benghazi. according to "foreign policy magazine" the briefing...
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today they said their talking points were not the ones given to susan rice. somebody, it appears maybe in the white house, or the national security council, changed those talking points. so the administration does have the responsibility on that. >> you're saying it's not her fault, it's more the fault of the information she was given? >> well, yeah, but the information -- the intelligence community in their original talking points had in there about the al qaeda affiliation. that was taken out after it left the intelligence community so it appears that somebody in the white house did that. >> interesting. congressman schiff, what was your interpretation of about what you heard today? >> i think we had the most comprehensive chronology what took place in benghazi. i think it really shed a lot of light minute by minute, hour by hour, what took place, and it convinced me that there was no effort to politicize the information we were being given. it also convinced me on the point involving our united nations ambassador that she was given the same early assessmen
today they said their talking points were not the ones given to susan rice. somebody, it appears maybe in the white house, or the national security council, changed those talking points. so the administration does have the responsibility on that. >> you're saying it's not her fault, it's more the fault of the information she was given? >> well, yeah, but the information -- the intelligence community in their original talking points had in there about the al qaeda affiliation. that...
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susan rice went to the public and gave that to the public. when that information changed, the new information was given to the public. so i am not sure what they're looking for because i don't think there is anything beyond that. >> just to be clear, i'm not saying there's necessarily a conspiracy. what i'm saying is there was a lack of clarity. if the president was indeed clear that first day in saying that this was a terrorist act which by the way i don't think he was that clear, he was speaking generally, then why would susan rice a few days later not refer to it as a terrorist act? the fact of the matter is -- >> so the issue is the word terrorism wasn't used to the public satisfaction? >> one day it was vaguely described. the president saying that he referred to terror one day and then several days later the secretary or susan rice doesn't even refer to terrorism. she is talking about -- you can go right back to the video. the facts weren't clearly described from the beginning. >> isn't that an attack on our compound by definition an act
susan rice went to the public and gave that to the public. when that information changed, the new information was given to the public. so i am not sure what they're looking for because i don't think there is anything beyond that. >> just to be clear, i'm not saying there's necessarily a conspiracy. what i'm saying is there was a lack of clarity. if the president was indeed clear that first day in saying that this was a terrorist act which by the way i don't think he was that clear, he was...
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that probably was a mistake, but susan rice was sent to give a white house message. it was not an intelligence community message. >> reporter: and so as we hear more through the day, luke, about what petraeus has said, if more lawmakers give us their impression, key to see if there was a discrepancy, a misconception. that seems to be what the story of the day will be for petraeus' testimony so far. luke? >> fascinating, fascinating stuff, kelly. you're going to have fun paying attention to with where this one weaves. take it easy. >> reporter: thanks, luke. >>> as the president and congressional leaders kick off negotiations this morning on the fiscal cliff, some republican governors are softening their language on taxes suggesting gop leaders in congress should stay open to raising tax rates in exchange for entitlement reform. nbc senior political editor mark murray is here with this morning's first read. gop softening a little bit, mark? >> luke, this is a significant development. you've been on capitol hill for quite a while now and republicans are always usually
that probably was a mistake, but susan rice was sent to give a white house message. it was not an intelligence community message. >> reporter: and so as we hear more through the day, luke, about what petraeus has said, if more lawmakers give us their impression, key to see if there was a discrepancy, a misconception. that seems to be what the story of the day will be for petraeus' testimony so far. luke? >> fascinating, fascinating stuff, kelly. you're going to have fun paying...